Can Religion and BDSM interests co-exist?

[ickleimi]

Thanks to whoever suggested looking it up on google. Really helped!

[alpha_Straye]

it does seem to me sometimes like people (especially Christians, with all due respect) feel bad about their BDSM/sexual interests mostly because they're having so much fun with it. kind of "if its this great it must be bad" *smile*.

which isnt said to ridicule.. quite the contrary, i feel bad for them feeling so conflicted. from what i can see, the difficulty seems to be more cultural than religious. the culture of a given religious group changes over time and what they accept as sinful or not changes too.. because it's a reflection of the time and people, not divinity or even religion- the religious culture is not the religion itself. confusing the two really knots people up inside and i think that's a shame.

it strikes me that alot of the conflict would be more about fitting in with the group and being accepted by them. but pleasing co-religionists is about social comfort rather than ethics, morality, or religion i think.

a lame example is clothing. my great grandmother had a fit when my grandmother started wearing a bra instead of a corset. it was said to be sinful to wear a garment specifically for holding up and thrusting forward the breasts. it was enticing and sexual. now most women wear a bra without thinking about it and the corset is the sexual and enflaming article.

which is sinful? was either ever sinful? whats the difference? only time and social context as far as i can see.

it gets harder for people to sort it out when sexuality gets more directly involved because they like it so much and i think feel guilt for their pleasure... but it's the same general idea.

i think the solution for someone in this situation may lay in discovering what their religion really says (not what people say it means at this changable moment in time) and to evaluate their actions honestly from there... so that they can feel right with themselves based in the fact of their chosen religion. after all, all the religions ive heard of are about worshiping their Deity, not the locals *smile*

i hope this made sense and maybe helps *smile*

[jan]

it does seem to me sometimes like people (especially Christians, with all due respect) feel bad about their BDSM/sexual interests mostly because they're having so much fun with it. kind of "if its this great it must be bad" *smile*.

which isnt said to ridicule.. quite the contrary, i feel bad for them feeling so conflicted.

I think you're quite right, alpha.
For me, my Catholicism was the beginning and inspiration for my masochism, and the conflict (and the embarrassment) is cultural. I mean, as a girl I read about St. Agatha and St. Barbara. When the words in The Lives of the Saints said that "Agatha smiled when the hot pincers were brought to her breast", I was forever impressed that she enjoyed it. Soon I knew that I would too.

It's hard for me to see a conflict between my religion and my masochism in the face of that.

[fetishdj]

Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for 'Sodomy' as many beleive but for being inhospitable to strangers. At least in the version I read. I suspect the term 'sodomy' was not related to this city until much later. Like the Sin of Onan (which was refusing to follow Jewish law and impregnate his widowed sister in law NOT, as usually stated, masturbation or homosexuality) it is one of these interpretations which some Christians use to justify a lot of things which are not actually stated in the Bible.

The aforementioned passages about wives and husbands do indeed match some BDSM practise (Peter, it seemed, was very big on women obeying but then I suspect he was 'playing to the crowd' - the crowd being Roman and Greek and therefore not big on women's rights) but I am not sure if it is possible to reconcile FemDom practises.

As for other Christian ideas not mentioned in the Bible... well, for many years there was a group of Catholics in Spain who were big on bondage and sadomasochism though I am not sure many of the people who suffered at their hands were actually masochists, just heretics who got on the wrong side of Torquemada. Though their justification of 'torture purifying the soul' is somewhat suspect in a modern Christian doctrine...

[Thorne]

Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for 'Sodomy' as many beleive but for being inhospitable to strangers. At least in the version I read. I suspect the term 'sodomy' was not related to this city until much later. Like the Sin of Onan (which was refusing to follow Jewish law and impregnate his widowed sister in law NOT, as usually stated, masturbation or homosexuality) it is one of these interpretations which some Christians use to justify a lot of things which are not actually stated in the Bible.

I've noticed that quite a few Christians (and Muslims, with the Quran) tend to interpret scripture in the manner which most suits their own beliefs. Any other interpretations are, by their definition, heresy. Handy little philosophy, that.

As for other Christian ideas not mentioned in the Bible... well, for many years there was a group of Catholics in Spain who were big on bondage and sadomasochism though I am not sure many of the people who suffered at their hands were actually masochists, just heretics who got on the wrong side of Torquemada. Though their justification of 'torture purifying the soul' is somewhat suspect in a modern Christian doctrine...

The Inquisition wasn't limited to Spain. It was just about everywhere the Church was. The Spanish version was just the most notorious. The purging of witches, throughout Europe and America, was a part of that. And in some cultures those kinds of things still go on, though no longer condoned by the Church.

[SilvieA]

I'm a Christian and a sub. I don't see the conflict. Please enlighten me, and if you want to chat I'd be happy to help you figure things out.

Silvie