Quote Originally Posted by leo9 View Post
Of course it's a work in progress, but when I look back to my childhood, and the casual racism, sexism, and prejudice and discrimination of all kinds which people simply accepted as the way things were, I can be really pleased at what our culture has achieved in one lifetime.
Thankfully I can look back on those days, but they were not brought into the UK by the European Charter of Human Rights. It was called progress and before you shout me down it is a fact that Racism is rife in both Italy and Spain, now if I remember correct they do belong to Europe. To see it, go to a game of football in either country, and the crowds will make you sick.

Quote Originally Posted by leo9 View Post
Of course it is a fight, and always will be, to retain what has been won and to keep moving on, but I dare to hope that the trend is unstoppable.
Where is the fight in the UK? The human rights charter says kiss the ass of the illegal alien that has just run over your child and let him live as a free man in your country after his three years in prison. The reason being, that if he goes back to oki pooki land or where ever, he might get imprisoned or shot. So the UK government bend over backwards for him because it is his Human Right to be alive. Fuck the life of the 6 year old child that was born in the UK, that doesn’t count. Get real.


Quote Originally Posted by leo9 View Post
I'd look very hard and long at any proposal to change a comma.
Because as soon as you start making exceptions you're no longer talking about human rights, but about privileges for a favoured few.
No one is saying change it, but it is so precise that it is unworkable. Unless you change the whole world and I mean every countries way of thinking, then the ECHR has no chance in hell of working. Europe has different laws to that the Middle East, it has different laws from the United States of America, and there are different laws than the UK, and the Far East. Then of course you have the third world countries and South America. There might be a law for everyone in a thousand years time but never in our lifetime, because if there was an American Convention of Human Rights drawn up tomorrow, Europe would tell them politely I hope, to fuck off.

It has nothing to do with making exceptions or privileges for the favoured few, as it is about the fact that the same paint brush cannot be used to paint different colours with one movement of the hand.

Regards IAN 2411{lillirose}